275. The Debt Paradox: Britain’s Hidden Credit Crisis

The Rest Is Money

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🗓️ 3 May 2026

⏱️ 44 minutes

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If household debt as a percentage of GDP is at its lowest since 2002, why are debt charities seeing record levels of demand? Is this a temporary problem because of the cost of living crisis or about much bigger structural problems in the UK economy? Plus, what is ‘co-erced debt’ and why is it a growing problem? Steph talks to Vikki Brownridge the CEO of the debt advisory charity StepChange about what’s really going on for the increasing number of people struggling with money. They discuss the challenges of the ‘working poor’ and whether policy changes like the lifting of the two child benefits cap will make any difference. The Rest is Money is brought to you by Octopus Energy, Britain’s smart energy pioneer. Email: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠the⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠restismoney@goalhanger.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@TheRestIsMoney⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@TheRestIsMoney⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@RestIsMoney⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Advertise with us: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Partnerships@goalhanger.com⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	The second most common reason for people reaching out for help is just the sheer cost of living.
0:06.0	That's really scary, isn't that?
0:08.0	What about energy then? Do you think enough's been done by the government to help support people on energy?
0:14.0	The reality is that the energies are not affordable for many people.
0:17.0	Is the banking system part of the problem?
0:19.0	And we've obviously had the lifting of the two child limit. Do you think that's going to make a difference? We're not far off saturation points, so if the demand continues, it's going to be challenging for us and the sector as a whole actually to fulfil. I'm film.
0:48.8	Hello and welcome to The Rest is Money with me, Steph McGovern.
0:52.2	Now, we love throwing big stats at you on this show.
0:55.6	And recently, one of them that we gave you was about household debt.
1:04.2	So as things stand, household debt as a percentage of GDP is that it's lowest since 2002. In other words, people are not in as much personal debt, which on the face of it, and we spent an episode talking to Karen Ward about
1:12.4	this, that sounds like good news. But it's not the whole story because what those figures
1:18.9	don't tell you is what's really going on with people who are in arrears and the problem debt
1:26.1	that is masked.
1:33.5	So with me on the show today, we have Vicki Brownridge, who is the CEO of Step Change.
1:37.3	This is a charity which helps people to get out of debt, essentially.
1:46.1	She's spent over two decades in this area, not just helping people sort their own debt out. She's also done a lot around lobbying the government on what they're doing for people who are struggling with money.
1:52.2	So I wanted to get her take on what's really going on. Vicky, lovely to see you. So I wanted
1:58.8	to get you on the show because the last time I saw you, we were at an event
2:02.5	trying to help people with getting debt advice because there's a huge problem around the stigma
2:08.9	of it, which we'll come to. But one of the things that struck me that you said was about
2:13.9	the household debt figures. And we've talked about it on this podcast that household debt as a percentage of GDP
2:21.6	is at its lowest since 2002.
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