And I'm here talking to Pulitzer Prize winning musical theater, writer, composer,

lyricist, and playwright, and book writer.

I never know how to phrase these musical theater terms but you wrote

it's another language for sure. You didn't write the book you wrote book? Well yeah you can say it I wrote book. Well, yeah, you can say it either way. I wrote book.

Yeah. I wrote the book for either way.

Sounds Russian.

Wrote book. He wrote book.

He wrote book for a strange loop.

Or strange loop. He wrote a strange loop then helped Donald Trump win election.

Great election through strange loop, achieve election status, victory of Donald Trump.

Yeah, the show is going to get cancelled right now.

I know.

Terrible, we just got cancelled.

Hello and welcome to the Katie helper show. On today's show I interview Michael Jackson who just won a Pulitzer Prize for his musical A Strange Loop.

Then I talk to Ava Farkas, who's the executive director of the Met Council on Housing,

and Michael and Ava talk to each other, and she offers him some great tips on how to organize for your housing rights.

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MFA and playwriting and musical theater writing from the

NYU Tish School of the Arts as a songwriter he has seen his work performed

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