#275 No Labels w/ Mark McKinnon
The Road to Now
Benjamin Sawyer
4.8 • 628 Ratings
🗓️ 5 June 2023
⏱️ 54 minutes
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Summary
Mark McKinnon is a political advisor, reform advocate, and host of Showtime's The Circus. In this episode he joins Ben & Bob to talk about his work to found the non-partisan group No Labels, which advocates for independent candidates in presidential elections, and what a third-party might mean for the elections of 2024 and beyond.
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| 0:00.0 | I'm Bob Crawford. |
| 0:06.3 | I'm Ben Sawyer, and this is the road to now. |
| 0:10.6 | Yes, and the road to 2024 has begun, if you can believe it. |
| 0:18.1 | Here we are in the not even summer of 2023. But last weekend, |
| 0:24.3 | there were several Republican hopefuls were in Iowa for, I think it was where they flip, |
| 0:31.4 | they flip pork and they ride motorcycles for Joni Ernst's a little combine she has down there where Iowans can kick the tires of potential candidates. |
| 0:43.1 | And, you know, 2024, as of today, where we sit early June, it looks like a repeat of 2020. |
| 0:51.0 | And so a lot of people are nervous about that. A lot of people don't want Trump. |
| 0:56.0 | They don't think he can win. |
| 0:58.0 | They don't want Biden. They think he's too old. |
| 1:00.0 | So now a group called No Labels is going around and they are trying to get on some ballot access around the country. |
| 1:09.0 | Of course, we need a third party candidate. We need an independent |
| 1:13.6 | voice in this country, but is an independent voice just going to allow Donald Trump an easy |
| 1:21.7 | victory. Al-a. Ross Perot, Ralph Nader, Jill Stein, I could go on. So today our guest is Mark McKinnon, |
| 1:33.3 | and you know him as a founding member and producer of the showtimes, The Circus. He's also been |
| 1:41.2 | working in campaigns for as long as most of us have been alive. |
| 1:46.6 | And he actually has a relationship or had a long-time relationship with no labels. |
| 1:52.2 | So I don't think there's anyone out there more qualified to give us a nuanced understanding |
| 1:59.0 | of no labels and what their aims may be as we head into |
| 2:03.4 | 2024. Mark, welcome to The Road to Now. |
| 2:07.0 | Hey, guys. Thanks for putting me on the dance card. |
| 2:10.9 | Well, you know, you dance the one that brung you. |
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