#275 - CIA "Criminal" Spy Speaks Out for 1st Time | Matthew Hedger
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🗓️ 14 February 2025
⏱️ 172 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | Fast forwarding to working with one of the Mexican drug trafficking organizations, cartels. |
| 0:06.5 | I was out partying with some of these people, and I get taken back to one of their warehouses. |
| 0:12.6 | And... It's a rare man who walks in here and makes me feel a little bit insecure in my bling, |
| 0:29.0 | but holy shit, what is going on on your hands right here? |
| 0:31.9 | Oh, this is the guy I robbed out front when I was waiting to get busted. |
| 0:36.3 | He was bawling. |
| 0:40.5 | I'm looking at him, like like a lot of people probably had to die for a few of those things. Just knowing what you do. I don't want to put words |
| 0:45.6 | in your mouth, but it feels that way. It depends on the definition of a lot, but you're not |
| 0:53.5 | making me feel better with that answer all right well i've been really looking |
| 0:57.0 | forward to this one man because you know when i bring in some of the spooky people it's like a lot |
| 1:03.1 | of them are diplomatic cover people they obviously did some cool shit i have no idea what they say |
| 1:08.0 | is true or false there's a lot of things that will be floating around there, as you well know. |
| 1:12.2 | But I haven't, to my knowledge, had in someone yet who is a knock. |
| 1:17.3 | And so for people out there who are not familiar with that term, can you just explain what that is? |
| 1:22.0 | And then obviously, we'll get into your story. |
| 1:24.0 | Sure. |
| 1:24.3 | It's a broad term that basically refers to anything that isn't official |
| 1:28.9 | cover, which is mostly what people use. That would be posing as the, you know, |
| 1:36.2 | third secretary of economic affairs at an embassy somewhere, other types of things where you |
| 1:40.8 | have a diplomatic passport. And so the knock umbrella is basically anything |
| 1:46.3 | that goes without that whether you travel as a businessman or a businesswoman or also what i |
| 1:53.6 | ended up getting into criminal cover as well but it's not backed you know by Uncle Sam if you get in trouble. |
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