273: Elon Musk Hates His Reflection and Blames the Mirror with Imran Ahmed
The Lincoln Project
The Lincoln Project
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🗓️ 30 August 2023
⏱️ 51 minutes
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Summary
Host Reed Galen is joined by Imran Ahmed, the Founder and CEO of the Center for Countering Digital Hate (CCDH). They discuss the landscape of online hate and how it has exponentially grown in the last decade, the role of social media in the dangerous rise of misinformation/disinformation, and why it is so important for the fabric of our society to hold social media companies accountable for their actions. Plus, the latest in CCDH’s lawsuit with Elon Musk and Twitter. For more on this, be sure to check out the work of Imran Ahmed and CCDH…especially the Deadly By Design Report mentioned in this episode and more information on CCDH’s Legal Defense Fund. If you’d like to connect with The Lincoln Project, send an email to podcast@lincolnproject.us.
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| 0:00.0 | Hey, everyone, it's Reed. Before I get started, I know you've already downloaded the episode |
| 0:04.4 | because you're listening to it. But before you just get back to what you're doing, |
| 0:08.8 | take a look at the episode description for each show. It'll give you more background on our |
| 0:14.4 | guest, on their work, whether or not that's a book or a website or a substack, or any of |
| 0:20.1 | the information that we referenced during the show. |
| 0:23.1 | It'll give you that extra context you need to not only listen and understand, but also go |
| 0:28.6 | spread the pro-democracy gospel. Thanks, everybody, and on with the show. Welcome back to the Lincoln Project. I'm your host, Marie Gaylin. Today, I'm joined by |
| 0:47.2 | Imran Ahmed, the CEO of the Center for Countering Digital Hate, or CCDH. CCDH is an organization |
| 0:54.0 | whose mission is to protect human rights and civil liberties online, |
| 0:58.0 | particularly by holding social media companies accountable. |
| 1:01.0 | Speaking of accountability, the center is currently being sued by Elon Musk and X, formerly known as Twitter, |
| 1:07.0 | in an attempt to silence their work exposing the rise of hate on the platform. |
| 1:11.5 | Amron is an authority on social and psychological malignancies on social media, |
| 1:15.7 | such as identity-based hate, extremism, disinformation, and conspiracy theories. |
| 1:20.6 | He was inspired to start the center after seeing the rise of anti-Semitism in the UK |
| 1:24.4 | and the murder of his colleague Joe Cox, a member of parliament, by a white |
| 1:28.9 | supremacistist who had been radicalized in part online during the EU or Brexit referendum in 2016. |
| 1:35.3 | He holds an MA in social and political sciences from the University of Cambridge and is coming to us |
| 1:40.0 | today live from Washington, D.C. Amron, welcome to the show. |
| 1:45.9 | Thank you so much for having me. |
| 1:50.9 | All right, there's a lot there, a lot to get through, but let's begin at the beginning. So you're from the UK. You were involved in the Labor Party over there. So let's zoom out of |
| 1:56.8 | Washington, D.C. for just a few minutes in the U.S. and take us back to the UK and tell us how you |
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