First guest ever we're up on episode this is episode 272 first time I've ever had a guest who I've worked for

And it'll never happen again. Well, maybe you'll come back

But I've run out I was gonna say that sounded a little ominous. I've run out of former employers. I believe food who I can

There are there's a lot of long list anyway

But anyway, I thought what better time BB at 13 came out

Recently, I actually don't have the date in front of me, but I've always liked the idea of having I need to do it more often is have some of my

Developers come out and you know movie stars come out with a movie. What do they do? They go on shows talk about it

Why don't developers do it when there's a major release?

And you know that's that that's a sort of an old-school big co thing to do

From back in the day is whenever there was a major release the

The company would would go out on tour they do a press tour they go around everywhere and meet with everybody and

And that's how it used to work

Your BB at its career

Well, BB doesn't have a career, but your career leading co-founding bear bones with your longtime partner Patrick

How's Patrick doing by the way? He's he's great. He's the same as he ever was unchanged

13's a big number you've always been relatively conservative

I would say in the grand scheme of version numbers that if it's a dot-o. It's pretty significant

13 but how long how old is BB at it now?

so

The first commercial V your version of BB at it was 2.5 and that shipped back in

May of 1993

You and I used to always talk about it. You've always said that one of the it's sort of like

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