It's time for episode 272 of the Clockwise Podcasts from Relay FM, recorded Wednesday, December 12th, 2018.

Clockwise, Four People, Four if you fall, it will catch you.

It'll be waiting time after time.

I am one of your co-hosts, Micah Sargent, and I am joined across this vast and ever

changing internet by my co-host, Dan Morin. How you doing, Dan? Good, but now I'm worried about

falling. Is there like, should I be wearing a helmet? Is there a safety concern? Does OSHA manage

this workplace? Listen, I'll be waiting time after time. No worries.

Okay. All right. Thank you. I feel good. And while I am waiting to catch our awesome guests, I'd like to tell you about the person to my left. It is the host of Friends in Your Ears as well as the number one unicorn.

It is Kathy Campbell.

Hello, Kathy.

Hi, Micah.

And now I will have that song stuck in my head.

Thank you so much.

That is a service that we provide.

To my left, a first timer here on Clockwise. We are so glad to have him.

He's the Chief Automation Officer of Smarter Home Life. Joe Duganzik, thank you so much for being here.

Thank you for having me on the show. I've heard clockwise many times, so I'm excited to be here.

We are delighted that you're here. All righty. Well, you know how this works for people, four topics, and we got to get

going because they're only 30 minutes, so I'm going to kick things off with my topic. I'm curious.

I just saw that there were some interesting bits of data about the Uber self-driving car before it

ended up being involved in a fatal accident.

I'm curious, what, how far away do you think our self-driving car future is? And do you think

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