But yeah, then kind of the Virgin Mary kind of appears, you know, oddly in this very masculine way at the end as kind of this apex figure within this kind of spiritual test.

And she's kind of like.

Yes, she's pretty terrifying.

There's something terrible.

But that's okay.

You have definitely have traditions in the Orthodox Church itself about, you know,

aspects of the Virgin which are are kind of terrifying.

Like she's the protector too.

Like she has this.

She protects her child.

So there's something about that.

You know, you take icons of the Virgin on the wall of Constantinople when the wall,

when the city is being attacked, you know, there's something about that. There's a, there is a

kind of mother bear aspect to the, to the, to the, to the virgin as well.

Yeah. This is Jonathan Peugeot.

Welcome to the symbolic world.

Hello, everybody. I'm really excited to be here with Brandon Dayton.

Brandon is an artist. I know him mostly as a graphic novelist. He wrote a book, which if you follow me on social media, you've seen me share it quite a few times. It's called The Green Monk. And it's a really beautiful graphic novel about a young, let's say a young boy who finds himself in a Russian monastery. And there's a whole kind of fantastic story which surrounds the graphic novel. It's very beautiful and airy. The story's kind of told through the succession

of panels, and it doesn't need a lot of words. It really is this kind of beautiful flow of story.

So I'm really happy to have them with me to be able to talk about the graphic novel and

his inspirations, what would brought him to make it. So Brandon, thanks for talking to me.

Yeah, super, super happy to be here. And so tell us a little bit about what was the, what was

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