I mean you tell me I mean where did it start where where's the where does this story

start it well Greg I'll just tell you, I've had some,

I've had some ups and downs that have made for good stories

on podcasts, which we could tell.

So I could go back, I could go back.

Let me give you some highlights and you tell me

where you want to start.

Yeah, great.

I used to run the largest most successful family law

firm in the Bay Area in in Northern California. What was the firm?

It was called Heath Newton.

There's a horse firm, a horse law.

But not something I ever planned to do but found myself doing and found myself doing really, really

well actually.

From the heart, doing extraordinary work making good

money but something was missing and I went to a vacation not a spiritual

vacation but just a vacation in Tibet and ended up coming face to face with my first glimpse of my ego identity as a separate thing from self, which is a way that I view the world now.

And it was a fairly traumatic story, which is a long story, and it shattered me.

I came back a completely different kind of a man in all of the right ways if I may if I may say so about myself.

And we met my future wife. I had been courting this woman for three years and she'd been ignoring me, but she came to Abbeer that I was hosting just after returning from this trip and we saw each other I looked at her as a whole human as opposed to a conquest and I think I don't know what she saw, but she saw something different.

And the long and short of that as we were together from pretty much that moment ever since.

And then I lost my law firm.

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