271: Michael Shellenberger's Punk Rock Moment

The Way I Heard It with Mike Rowe

History, Society & Culture

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🗓️ 4 October 2022

⏱️ 93 minutes

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The lifelong environmentalist and one-time California gubernatorial candidate talks about the current energy crisis, climate narcissism, and how what's good for the climate is not necessarily good for the environment.

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0:00.0	Well, Chuck, you did it again.
0:06.2	How so?
0:07.2	You booked another fantastic guest.
0:09.8	That conversation was one of my favorites.
0:11.9	Yeah, Michael Schellenberger is an interesting cat and he's had an interesting journey.
0:17.0	He is not your average everyday environmentalist, shall we say.
0:21.8	He is definitely an environmentalist.
0:24.0	It's episode 271, by the way.
0:25.7	I think we're going to call this when Michael Schellenberger's punk rock moment in a nutshell,
0:32.4	this is a guy raised by hippies who were men and nights.
0:36.8	It's a bit pacifist.
0:39.0	Hippie men and nights, is that right?
0:41.8	Oh, yeah.
0:42.8	I don't think he said hippies.
0:44.1	He said men and nights, but...
0:45.2	Well, I'm saying it.
0:46.2	I've done my research on this guy.
0:47.5	His parents were hippies.
0:48.8	It's one of the first things he says in one of the TED talks.
0:51.7	I'm going to strongly recommend you all listen to.
0:55.2	Because he was a great guest in a great conversation, not because I agree with so much of what
1:01.2	he said, although I do, it's because the guy has been on a journey.
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