Yes, we can say overall plant-based is better, right?

Because plants just naturally, what they're doing is they're taking in CO2 from the atmosphere,

building their, you know, bodies of their plant selves, and then they're, you know, getting put into a building.

And so we know that, but there's more to it than that.

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You know, a startup construction company is a challenge. And Vermont is a small place,

which makes it harder, I'm sure. How'd you do it? How did you make a successful company given the difficulties inherent to starting a construction business?

Yeah. It's a good question. I mean, I find Vermont actually an easier place to be an entrepreneur than other places.

Why do you say that? Well, because everyone here is an entrepreneur.

It's very accessible.

You have to do three jobs to make a living, right?

That's what people do.

I was going to say, you probably know this, but people are working three jobs everywhere.

That's not just Vermont.

But, yeah, I mean, I think the smallness of it makes things feel more possible to create

something out of nothing.

And when you're in a place where you're already choked with ideas and where, yeah,

there's just a lot going on, at least for me, and, you know, people are different. But for me, it really felt

easy to start something out of nothing and to bring together people who wanted to be a part of that.

And yeah, just build it, you know, piece at a time. I mean, I think really the key thing about

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