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🗓️ 22 July 2025
⏱️ 104 minutes
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We went face-first into a quart of ice cream before this amazing episode! The main science topic was a new study on microintervals, finding that 4-10 second high-power bursts led to no more metabolic stress than very easy training, but with way more muscular work. That could lay the groundwork for revolutionary studies and theories in the future!
We also addressed the doping controversy that rocked the running world. Last year, Ruth Chepng'etich ran a shocking 2:09 marathon to reset everything that seemed possible. In April, she tested positive for a banned masking agent, and her suspension was just announced last week. We provide our initial reactions, including how to balance being compassionate and forgiving to individuals while being skeptical and critical of corrupt systems.
And this one was full of our favorite topics! Other topics: Megan's pacing experience at the Ouray 100 Mile as Dr. Teddy Bross set a new course record, building strength to use poles, the "Breakable" documentary, Tadej Pogacar's Tour de France domination, other Tour stories, middle distance running's stunning improvement, why we think that may be attributable to sodium bicarb, a tribute to one of our favorite poets, plus a Q+A on building small businesses in endurance sports, dog supplements, training and motivation, and the afterlife.
I'll take the usual: A running podcast that talks about the afterlife and even deeper thoughts about miniature horses.
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-Megan and David
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0:00.0 | Woo! |
0:01.0 | Welcome to the Some Work All Play podcast. |
0:03.0 | We are so happy to be with you today. Happy Tuesday. It's Tuesday. And I think I need some polls on this Tuesday. You need polls. You also need something to clear that toxic waste dump in your bloodstream. My bloodstream is a toxic waste dump. I think I need my poles for activities of daily living over here, like walking up the stairs and maybe even just getting off the couch. I think the most brutal thing is walking down the stairs. |
0:02.7 | Oh, it all hurts. |
0:03.8 | I'm going to be able to. living over here, like walking up the stairs and maybe even just getting off the couch. |
0:21.3 | I think the most brutal thing is walking down the stairs. |
0:23.7 | Oh, it all hurts. |
0:24.7 | It might have taken you like four minutes to get down one short little plate of stairs this morning. |
0:29.1 | A slowest known time set because you were out pacing the Ure 100-mileer. |
0:34.2 | How much vert is in this race? |
0:35.7 | Okay, this race is bonkers, 42,000 feet of vert. That is, like, one, a very cool amount of vert and a very heinous amount of vert. Yeah, is that the most vert of any hundred-mile in the world? I think it might be. I don't know how you could get more. Yeah, Hard Rock has about 30,000, somewhere around 30,000 feet avert. Do you know much UT&B has? Way less than Urey, maybe Barclay, if you count that as a hundred-mile or would beat that standard. But it's truly insane. And you were out there pacing Dr. Teddy Bross, who's pasted me at Leadville. He paced me 38 miles at Ludville at Havillina. He was out there at Western States to comfort me when I DNFed. He's done so much for our family. And you paced him to a course record. He freaking crushed it, a course record. And he's been there for just so many people. He's been there for our journeys. He's paced. I feel like he's paced so many other athletes races. And I was like, it is time for Teddy to have a day. And he did. And I got to be part of the day, too, and we'll go into that in a minute. But did 22 miles around 9,300 feet avert, which for my postpartum body, I've been focusing on like speed work and building back running volume. I was like, wow, this is a shock to the system. And it was also like a really fun and inspiring mountain day for myself, seeing someone out there, you know, go to deep, dark places in a pain cave and doing that with joy and kindness. And man, it's fun. Seven months postpartum, sometimes you just go to launch yourself down like eight mountains. Not even seven months yet. I was like, this is an early launch. I like it. Okay. We'll start the entire episode with that. And here's a roadmap. So we're going to talk about the pacing experience, the Uray 100s, some thoughts there. Then the reception of the documentary breakable on Western States, very proud of that name. Then a study on micro intervals, the huge cheating news in running where Ruth Chetnegut, tested positive. She's the world record holder in the marathon. |
2:18.5 | We have a lot of thoughts there. |
3:41.0 | Then Tade Pagotcha and some Tort of France thoughts, the explosion of fast times and middle distance running. We're seeing something unlike any other year to build on past years that we're having the same explosion. Hintintin Bicarb, maybe, maybe other things too. Probably. Um, Scotty Sheffler's speech, the famous golfer, before winning the British Open, whoops run in with the FDA, some controversy there, a tribute to one of our favorite poets, Andrea Gibson, and then a Q&A on sports business, dog supplements, training and motivation, a food debate, a really spicy question on the afterlife. Do you think we're going to get there? I think we are. The afterlife might have to wait. No. Yeah, you're like, we're going to get there. The afterlife is only on Patreon. Yeah, right? Pay $5 for the afterlife. Maybe that's what it really is. Maybe that's the answer all along that God's just like subscribe to the next tier and you get to the Prolly Gates. Come to our Patreon. Well, maybe we should do the reverse thing. So usually we record something on Patreon and tack it on to this episode. Yeah. Maybe we should record the afterlife on this episode and tack it on to Patreon. We'll see. That would be really mixing things up. Then a conversation on overtraining and a lot more. So really fun one today. But first, we're going to talk about the pacing experience. So your legs are really, really sore. And you got to see, you know, Teddy make his own slice of history with a course record. So how are you feeling about it right now? It was so much fun. What an inspiring race. I mean, to do something like that, to even finish a race like that, let alone set a course record. |
3:44.8 | I came away with just this like inspiration bump. But it was also really cool. Like to be a part of that and to see the race out at the front is just like such a gift. |
3:49.9 | So on the final climb, I heard that someone in second place, Luke was starting to close the gap on Teddy. |
3:55.9 | And I was like, Teddy, it is time to go. We got to run |
3:58.4 | some of these climbs and really pushed him and worked him and felt kind of bad about that because |
4:02.5 | like 800 meters in the summit. I was like, did I kill him? Is he going to make it back down this |
4:06.4 | hill on the final descent? And he did it. And man, what an experience just to see that. And to see |
4:12.5 | like the competitive like mindset and instincts kicked in at the end of a 29 |
4:17.8 | hour race. |
4:18.6 | The perfect thought for a pacer to have is, did I kill him or her or them? |
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