It's episode number 268 of The Way I heard it, and this one is called A Place for the Placeless.

Not exactly a direct quote, Chuck, but close.

Yes.

What is it reference exactly?

Well, our guest, the very special, Salina Zito, who always has a place in our heart, writes a column called The Middle of Somewhere.

The Middle of Somewhere.

Yes.

And at some point, early on in the conversation you're about to listen to, you will hear her talk about the importance of geography and the importance of moving for any number

of reasons and the way in which she believes many Americans today have become untethered

from their origin. I think she's talking about a time when everybody had a place, but now many

people feel place less,

and I just thought it was a nice turn of phrase. So I've turned it into the de facto title of this

episode, which, by the way, is I think probably much, much better than the title.

Well, it would have to be, wouldn't it? No, just kidding. But what this is really about is the article that she wrote where she quoted you multiple times. I believe it's called Pennsylvanians feel left out by Biden's student loan policy, which is about the debt forgiveness that's going on. And it gets a little spicy,

doesn't it? Yeah, it does. And to be clear, this is not a conversation simply about that article.

But what happened was the policy came out, and as you've no doubt heard, people with college

debt are being relieved to the tune of $10,000 to $20,000 depending on your income.

A lot of people are upset by this, in particular people who went to college and paid off their

loans. And in my world, the kinds of people that I've been featuring on dirty jobs and the kinds

of people our foundation assists, they're the ones essentially being asked to write a check.

And so I wrote about this on Facebook. It turned into a thing. Selina wrote an article,

and it's been read by millions of people. I'm not going to let this go for personal reasons,

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