I dreamt that you were twisting through seven suns of gold and the gypsy was insisting

that story must be told I came two in the morning but I took it as a warning that you might be a treasure.

I could touch but never hold.

Hello, welcome back to the Sober Full podcast.

I am joined today by Dr. Christy Gibson.

Welcome, Christy.

Oh, it's lovely to be here, Veronica.

It's nice to be here. And we met in another group that we're both members of, a EFT where we get our supervision. So we met there.

So Dr. Gibson, so you were a family physician, but you are, you're now a trauma therapist

and the author of the modern trauma toolkit, which was why I was like,

oh, perfect. We have to get you on the show because you've done a lot of work around addiction

and trauma, right? I have. I've been managing different forms of substance use my entire career as a

doctor. I did inpatient medicine. And then when I moved to community and I did have a family

practice, the majority of my folks had either faced an addiction or were in recovery. And so when I

started to focus more on trauma, it was a very natural place for me to land in an addiction

clinic where I would be referred folks who need trauma therapy.

So it's been a big part of my practice for well over 20 years.

Wow. Okay. So we know so much more about trauma now and how it affects us as human beings.

Then we did, I mean, certainly when I did my training, I mean,

tell us, what do we know now that has changed? Well, honestly, the biggest thing that I learned

about eight years ago was the Aces study. So the same year I graduated medical school,

the Aces study came out, and that's the

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