#267: See What You Made Me Do with Jess Hill, Part 2

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True Crime, Society & Culture, Exhibit C, Documentary

4.2 • 10.5K Ratings

🗓️ 5 August 2020

⏱️ 38 minutes

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Summary

Jess Hill, Australian investigative journalist and award winning authorof the book 'See What You Made Me Do,' returns to the podcast to continue her discussion with Laura Richards, Jim Clemente and Lisa Zambetti on domestic abuse, both in terms of the victims and abusers.

Jess has been writing and researching about domestic abuse since 2014. Before that she was a producer for ABC Radio, a Middle East correspondent for The Global Mail, and an investigative journalist for Background Briefing. Jess was listed in Foreign Policy's top 100 women to follow on Twitter, and also as one of 30 most influential people under 30 by Cosmopolitan magazine.

Jess's reporting has won two Walkley awards, an Amnesty International award and three Our Watch awards.

The Australian version of SEE WHAT YOU MADE ME DO is currently available in stores, Audible and Amazon. It will be available in the UK on August 27 and USA on September 1 2020. You can follow Jess on Twitter @jessradio

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0:00.0	Hey, Prime Members, you can listen to Real Crime Profile ad-free on Amazon Music. Download the app today.
0:07.0	Hey, lovely RCP listeners. Thank you so much for tuning into this very important series with my colleague Jess Hill,
0:14.0	who is an investigative journalist and the award-winning author of the book See What You Made Me Do.
0:19.0	This is such an important conversation that I've wanted to have for some time,
0:23.0	because so many colleagues and friends have said, when you and Jess speak, I would love to be a fly on the wall.
0:29.0	So we made it happen. Jess got up super early in Australia. I stayed up to talk to her later at night,
0:35.0	and Jim and Lisa were in the middle of their day in LA. So we apologise for any audio issues.
0:40.0	And I also just wanted to preface it with a trigger warning as we are talking about a number of
0:47.0	distressing yet preventable murders and cases. But the one thing I guarantee is that this series
0:54.0	would change the way that you see domestic abuse forever. So without further ado, here's the episode.
1:01.0	I look at you, Grace, and I see a mother not dissimilar to my own, who's in the audience this evening.
1:09.0	I see the faces of other mothers who I've met with, who have lost a loved one to violence,
1:16.0	to men's violence, in particular. And the short answer is that I agree with you, unequivocally without doubt.
1:26.0	This is not a problem of women. This is not a problem that was Adriana's problem.
1:34.0	It became the sad ending of her life because of another man's actions.
1:40.0	And I think that for too long now we've been at a stage where we've been reluctant in Australia to have that conversation.
1:47.0	We've been reluctant to have the conversation that puts the blame squarely on the perpetrator.
1:54.0	My younger sister, Nikki, I look at pictures of her, she was killed at 23.
2:02.0	And I see in her the same woman that Adriana was, the same woman that Dr. Prithi Reddy in New South Wales was,
2:11.0	the same woman that Tara Brown or Hannah Clark. These are the names of women like you know that we know as a community after their death.
2:24.0	But they should still be here.
2:32.0	How can we change the culture amongst men who think if I can't have her, nobody else can?
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