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#SistersInLaw

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Politics, News Commentary, News

4.910.2K Ratings

🗓️ 20 December 2025

⏱️ 91 minutes

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Summary

Joyce Vance hosts #SistersInLaw to discuss the ongoing murder investigations into the tragic killings of the Reiners, Australian beachgoers, and Brown University students, focusing on the role of prosecutors, the impact of media, and the dangers of anti-semitism and mental illness.  Then, the #Sisters review Jack Smith’s recent testimony on Trump’s classified documents and election interference cases, the political motivations behind it, and if there will be accountability.  They also examine Wisconsin Judge Hannah Dugan’s felony obstruction conviction for her actions during an attempted ICE arrest, looking at its merits, the potential for appeal, and what it means for judicial independence and immigration policy.

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome back to hashtag sisters-in-law with Kimberly Atkins store, Barb McQuaid, Jill Wine Banks, and me, Joyce Vance.

0:18.1

A little quick news before we get on with the show. Hoodies and T-shirts are

0:22.6

available at Politicon.com slash merch. You can find the link in our show notes. You know you want a little

0:28.7

bit of a hashtag sisters-in-law wear. In today's show, we've got three very serious topics to discuss.

0:37.0

First off, the murder investigations from Brown

0:39.5

University, Boston, Hollywood, and Australia. Then there's the story of Jack Smith's trip to Capitol

0:46.6

Hill to testify, behind closed doors because that's how Republicans wanted it. And finally, late last night, Thursday night, we're

0:55.8

taping Friday afternoon. We learned about the conviction of Wisconsin Judge Hannah Dugan.

1:01.8

You'll notice we're not talking about Jeffrey Epstein because at the time that we're taping,

1:06.6

nothing has been released. I know we're all waiting to see what DOJ will release,

1:11.2

and I'm sure we'll be discussing that next week.

1:14.2

But before we get on with the show, you know,

1:19.1

there's something I think we need to take up with you.

1:22.2

And Barb, maybe you'll start us off.

1:24.7

There's a little bit of a debate about fonts of all things. Oh, yeah. Did you see

1:30.9

that this week? Secretary of State Marco Rubio said that the State Department was reverting

1:36.7

to its traditional font of Times New Roman and all official communications and rejecting

1:43.5

the change during the Biden administration

1:45.9

to the Calibri. Is that how you say it? Calibri. I don't know how I say it. I think I say Calibri.

1:50.6

Calibre font. Calibre font. Because that font is too woke. That font is one that is helpful to people

2:00.0

who are visually impaired. It is one without seraphs.

2:04.7

You know, those are the little lines, the little doodads. The tails, yeah. The tails, that's a good way to put it, that make letters look a little more decorative.

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