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You know, one thing that I think is cool about Joe is, you know, that he is somebody and

he mentioned it a little bit before.

So in an episode that we listened, you guys are probably listening to before is, you know,

his lifestyle.

You know, he's somebody who has learned how to figure out his metabolism, figure out,

you know, an idea of what he needs to eat on a regular basis and kind of stay in that realm

to keep himself and maintain that for the rest of his life and then also incorporate

fitness into his life too.

And, and it's not this like huge swing of his fat for three, four months.

He isn't shaped just for a couple pictures and then he's fat again.

And I, let's, let's talk a little bit about the journey and the importance of,

of loving the process of, it sounds like you figured yourself out everything about your

body more recently.

Not everything, but, yeah, you know what I'm saying?

So one of the most important things you kind of were touched on just a second ago is that

people get too caught into trying to be the exacts and the specifics.

One of my biggest problems is they're like, oh, I finished the day at deficit or I finished

the day at surplus.

They're all focused on that.

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