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Hello and welcome back to another episode of Control-Alt Delete.

My guest today is Julia Ebner.

She is an author and research fellow at the Institute for Strategic Dialogue, where she leads projects on online

extremism, disinformation and hate speech. She has acted as a consultant for the UN and the

World Bank. Her journalism has appeared in The Guardian,

Independent and Newsweek, and she was a key contributor to a documentary for ITV on militant responses to Brexit, a radio 4 piece on women in the far right.

In her first book called The Rage, she writes all about far right extremism and it was a bestseller and shortlisted for multiple awards.

Her most recent book is called Going Dark, The Secret Social Lives of Extremists, and it's out now and we talk a lot about this book in this

episode and just to give you an idea of some of the reactions to this book this is

what the Irish news said. To complete her investigations, she assumed a variety of identities

and goes undercover in a dozen tech-savvy extremist groups.

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