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Homicide investigators say it may be four weeks before we know if criminal charges will be brought,

but we are learning shocking new details of the conditions the 60 people endured during their spiritual ceremonies.

The reason why I spent and invested the money that I did in myself at that time was the idea of taking a different approach to life

and having a meaningful life where the way that you approached it actually mattered and has an impact on people around you.

And that's a little bit of what the secret did, which is how I first got introduced to self-help in general.

And then as things move forward, he's very charismatic. The events were a ton of fun. And really what kept me coming back for additional events was the absolutely incredible people that I met every step of the way.

And so you had this community of fabulous people from all over North America and beyond. And at the same time learning a different way to operate

and a different way to look at your ironically with that clip control or lack of control in your own life.

Hello and welcome to Real Crime Profile. This is Jim Clemente, retired FBI profiler, former New York City prosecutor and writer producer of CBS's Criminal Minds. And with me today is...

Laura Richards, Criminal Behavioral Analyst, former New Scotland Yard and founder of Paladin National Stalking Advocacy Service.

And then Lisa Zimbetti, I'm the casting director for CBS's Criminal Minds and I have a real interest in Real Crime. And the minds that solve those crimes.

And today we have a very special guest with us.

I'm Laura Tucker. I'm a leadership coach and I host a podcast called Free Year in Uruguay. But most relevant to this conversation, I'm a survivor of the sweat lodge at the retreat spiritual warrior.

Well, it's awesome to have you Laura. Thank you for coming.

So the event that Laura Tucker is talking about is something that's covered in Wandery's new podcast called Guru.

And it's about a very specific self-proclaimed self-help Guru who was instrumental in a lot of harm. And we're so happy that Laura Tucker has lived through and is surviving and thriving.

But we really want to get into your story.

Well, thanks so much for having me. I really appreciate the opportunity to speak about this.

Well, we're delighted to have you on, Laura. And all about listeners always know that we put the victims and survivors right at the center of everything that we do.

You're all the ones that know the best of what's gone on. Also the worst and it's your journey. So we're so happy to hear your voice.

And for you to share with us and our listeners, not just what happened, but also what you're doing now because it's been a huge journey for you.

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