264: Unlawful Orders

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🗓️ 29 November 2025

⏱️ 84 minutes

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Jill Wine-Banks hosts this week’s episode, discussing the tragic shooting of two National Guardsmen in Washington, D.C., the legal and personal impacts of military service, and the investigation into the Afghan refugee accused in the attack, along with the political reactions that may shape what comes next. The Sisters also dig into community safety, recent indictments involving Comey and James, and the controversies around improperly appointed U.S. attorneys, while unpacking a video from former military members in Congress urging service members to defy orders they deem illegal. They explore the uproar surrounding the video, potential responses from the FBI and Defense Department, the limits of congressional speech protections, and the delicate balance between free expression, political pressure, and understanding what truly counts as an illegal order under military law.

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0:00.0	Welcome back to hashtag Sisters-in-law with Barb McQuaid, Joyce Fance, and me, Jill Weinb Banks.
0:17.9	Kim will be back soon, and we miss her today. There's some good news from the
0:22.7	sisters-in-law. Barb's got a new book coming out, and Joyce has one already out. You must get to
0:30.5	them. And of course, I have one that's now older, but it's still relevant. I can't tell you how much,
0:36.0	so go get Sisters-in-law books.
0:38.8	But you also need Sisters-in-law hoodies and T-shirts.
0:42.4	They're available to order for the holidays for yourself or as a great gift.
0:47.3	Go to Politicon.com slash merch.
0:50.2	You can find the link in our show notes.
0:53.2	We have some great topics to talk about today.
0:56.9	One very sad one.
0:58.8	Our condolences go out to the families of the National Guard who were shot in D.C.
1:04.4	And we'll be talking about that terrible episode.
1:08.4	We're also going to talk about what we talked about last week. Coma D of
1:12.6	errors, which turned fatal, maybe. I'm not sure it is, but we'll talk about whether the Comey and
1:19.1	James dismissals as a result of the errors is going to be permanent. And then we're going to
1:25.4	talk about whether or not telling the truth about military
1:29.2	law is or is not something that you can be investigated and charged with. Members of Congress
1:37.1	are under investigation for telling the truth about following lawful orders. But before we get to
1:42.4	those topics, I want to ask my sisters what they're doing
1:46.1	with their turkey and side leftovers. Joyce, what am I? Besides eating them right now?
1:54.9	I can see that you're eating pumpkin pie. I've been eating some pumpkin pie while we've been
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