Welcome back to Seamus Popery. I'm Joe Heschmire, and I'm excited to share a really good argument from one of my favorite saints responding to a popular YouTuber.

I mean, obviously, it's not what he was originally doing. But along the way, I'm joined by one Mr. Braden Cook.

Braden, would you like to introduce yourself? And then we'll get into the tweet, the book,

and the response?

Yeah, sure.

Well, thanks for having me on Joe.

Yeah, I'm Braden.

I'm the host of the Catecuman, which is dedicated to Catholic and Protestant dialogue,

as well as defending the Catholic faith.

And I'm very excited because St. Francis DeSales is also one of my favorite saints.

And the Catholic controversy is a wonderful book. If you haven't read it, you should definitely pick it up. And he also

has great devotional works. You know, so you've got roses among thorns, introduction to devout

life and things like that. So I'm very excited. Yeah, he also has the treatise on the love of God. I mean, a lot of

saints are famous either for their deep theology or for their kind of pastoral counsel,

their spiritual advice and all of that. St. Francis de Sales is really known for all of the above.

And I don't know a lot of other saints that check as many boxes as he does, where he does

apologetics, he does spirituality, he does deep theology, he does all of these things.

But while I am deeply impressed with St. Francis DeSales, he is easily my favorite post-apostolic

saint.

Oh, yeah.

That is not a sentiment shared by everyone I discovered recently,

including by Redeemed Zumer, who many of you are going to be familiar with. So,

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