When it comes to being a better leader or a manager, it's always been like, do more, do this.

Here's a new theory. Here's a new practice. But maybe it would be good to give something up.

As a leader, maybe it's good to sometimes look and say, what do I do that I need to stop doing

that would probably make me a better leader? It's kind of that whole addition by subtraction,

how we can stop doing something that might have more

impact on the people we lead and manage than something new that we did. Every leader needs to know,

like, what is it that I need to stop doing? Welcome to At the Table, the podcast that lives at the

intersection of teamwork, leadership, organizational health, and culture. I'm your host, Pat Lanchone, joined by my regular host, Cody Thompson. How's it going today? Cody? I'm doing great, Pat. You know what I love about these podcasts is we just get to talk about stuff. I mean, we plan and we prep a little bit, but then we explore it together in real time. And I love podcasts that do that, and I like to do that with people because I want our listeners to feel like they're exploring this with us. So what are we exploring today, Cody? The title is Give It Up. That's right. It is Lent right now as a Catholic. And I know a lot of my other non-Catholic Christian friends give things up for Lent too. And Lent is the 40 days before Easter, just so people know. And so growing up, it was always like, what are you giving up?

And it was like, I'm giving up chocolate or I'm giving up donuts or whatever else we're doing.

And that was the common thing.

And little kids do that too.

And then a number of years ago, I think as I came into my adulthood, people said, instead of just giving something up as a sacrifice, also start doing extra things like pray more,

or give to charity or do something extra as you lead up to Easter.

Well, what we're going to talk about today is when it comes to being a better leader or a manager,

it's always been like, do more, do this.

Here's a new theory.

Here's a new practice. But maybe it

would be good to have the old Lenton practice of give something up, not just for Lent, but just as a

leader, maybe it's good to sometimes look and say, what do I do that I need to stop doing that

would probably make me a better leader? It's kind of that whole addition by subtraction. And that's what we want to talk about today is how to go about thinking about how we can stop doing something that might have more impact on the people we lead and manage than something new that we did. Yeah, great topic, Pat. I love the idea of, hey, we constantly are adding to the plates of people. Like, here's a new book to read.

Here's a new way to think about your team. Here's a new software that we can implement.

It always seems like more, more, more is the way to, you know, accelerate productivity,

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