Hello and welcome again to Cathayancers focus. I'm Cy Kellett your host.

Thank you so much for being with us today. We talk about Father Unipiro, Sarah the kind of the, I've been lately calling him the St. Patrick of California, but we'll find out from our guests today whether that's an appropriate analogy.

Among the many statues that are coming down or being attacked or being relocated or

causing anxiety in city councils around California or the statues of St.

Unip Brosera these days.

In part this is a period of, you could say re-evaluation, I suppose, if you wanted to be generous,

but I think also the word mania might apply to some of what's going on in the attack on statues, but it has to do with wanting to

maybe purify the memory and purify our public spaces of some figures who there has not been adequate critique of.

One wonders whether Sarah fits in that category, however, so we invited and we're very

delighted that he took our invitation, the author of one of the finest books you will ever see about early California and Father Unipper O'Sara.

Our guest today is Dr. Robert Sinkowitz. He is a scholar at Santa Clara University, a

Jesuit institution near San Jose. And with his wife, Rose Marie Bebe, he has the author of several books including Uniprosera, California, Indians, and the transformation

of a missionary.

I hope I got all that right.

Dr. Senkowitz, thank you for being with us.

You did.

Thank you, so it's very nice to be here.

Well, I want, primarily, as we have discussed before this conversation,

that it would be great for us if you could just fill us in on who

this man is I don't that seems to be well maybe that doesn't matter

anymore to people who the person is but it should matter at the very least it should matter so we'll have that

discussion but if I could start before we get into meeting the man you nipro sera what is your

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