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Shameless Popery

#262 I Debated Doug Wilson on Sola Scriptura

Shameless Popery

Catholic Answers

Religion & Spirituality, Christianity

4.9658 Ratings

🗓️ 7 April 2026

⏱️ 19 minutes

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Joe’s opening statement in his debate against Doug Wilson on Sola Scriptura. Transcript: Joe: Welcome back to Shameless Popery. I’m Joe Heschmeyer and happy Easter. I suspect many of you are familiar with the Protestant pastor, Doug Wilson. He’s often been described as a Christian nationalist. He recently made the news for arguing that the law shouldn’t permit Catholics to process down the street with images of Mary or with the Eucharist. Clip: Catholic church bells would be okay. Catholic church bells would be okay. But a parade in honor of the Virgin Mary, carrying an...

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Welcome back to St. Thomas Popery. I'm Joe Heschmire and happy Easter. I suspect many of you are familiar

0:04.7

with the Protestant pastor Doug Wilson. He's often been described as a Christian nationalist. He

0:09.2

recently made the news for arguing that the law shouldn't permit Catholics to process down the street

0:13.4

with images of Mary or with the Eucharist. Catholic church bells would be okay, right? Catholic

0:19.8

church bells would be okay, but a parade in,

0:23.4

a parade in honor of the Virgin Mary, carrying an image of the Virgin Mary down Main Street,

0:29.3

no, right? So what about the Eucharist? What about the Eucharist? What about a Eucharistic

0:34.8

procession? That's a, that's a new one. I would say, I would say,

0:41.9

probably not. It would depend on what was being done around it, how it was being conducted,

0:48.4

but basically public displays of idolatry. And look, obviously, Doug is a controversial figure. He is not afraid to take

0:56.3

his ideas to their logical limits, even if that makes people uncomfortable. And to be honest,

1:00.7

he's been kind of on the periphery of my own awareness for a while now. So when I was invited to

1:05.5

debate him, I wasn't 100% sure what to expect. But I agreed, and I'm glad that I did. I find him gracious, thoughtful,

1:12.9

amiable, and I'd be happy to debate or dialogue with him again on any number of topics.

1:18.5

Now, obviously, there are a lot of issues upon which we clearly disagree. And one of those

1:23.4

issues is what brought me to Moscow, Idaho in the first place. The doctrine in question is

1:27.9

Sola Scriptura or Scripture alone? More specifically, is the Bible our only infallible rule of faith?

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Protestants like Doug are going to say yes. Catholics like me are going to say no. It isn't,

1:40.7

and in fact, it can't be. As the Second Vatican Council says, it is not from sacred scripture alone that the church

1:47.2

draws her certainty about everything which has been revealed.

1:50.7

Instead, we accept both sacred tradition and sacred scripture with the same sense of loyalty

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and reverence.

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