Welcome to a tech policy podcast. I'm Ashken Kazarian. On today's show, we're going to talk about encryption, and I have a very special guest to talk about it. Jim Baker is Director of National Security and Cybersecurity as the Art Street Institute. He is CNN legal analyst and lecturer of law at the Harvard Law School

and his former General Counsel of FBI, the Federal Bureau of Investigations. Jim, thank you so much

for coming. Thank you for having me. It's great to be here. It is amazing to have someone with your

experience on the show to talk about these issues because obviously you have seen every site, you know, now you're in

research institutions you were in government. Can you tell our listeners before we dive into

a substance a little bit more about your career and like how it developed and how did you

end up at FBI? So I started out at the Justice Department many years ago as a fraud prosecutor

and then eventually

worked in the office that represented the United States before the foreign intelligence

surveillance court.

And I became the head of that office just before 9-11.

I stayed in there for a number of years.

And then I've held other jobs at DOJ working on national security and cybersecurity, also

in the private sector

a couple different times at companies. And then I came to the FBI, let's see, in 2014,

I had worked in a few different jobs with Jim Comey, who became director. When he became

director, he asked me to be the general counsel.

So that's how I ended up at the FBI.

I was there for about a little over four years.

And how did you decide to then go into the think tank policy world and kind of do what we do here,

which is basically like screaming to avoid and hope that someone hears this?

So, as you may have heard, Jim Comey got fired.

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