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Let's go.

Welcome to Citizen.

We have a special guest, A.J. Buckley.

You are a TV star.

You've been on TV for a long-ass time.

30 plus years.

Good Lord, dude.

Yeah.

What was your first, what was the first thing you were ever on?

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