Welcome to the After-On Podcast. I'm your host, Rob Reed.

And this is a series of conversations with thinkers, founders, and scientists.

Take a little time and stretch out because these talks are unhurried and meant to bring

you to a top percentile understanding of something important.

So whether you're ready to start up your ideas, a techie or a lit major, take your time,

engage your mind, and you'll be glad you did it.

Especially this week when we'll be talking to quantitative psychologist Don Hoffman.

Don has spent the last few decades honing an extraordinary theory about the nature of

reality.

It will violate every intuition you have about the physical world you inhabit.

For instance, Don will say this.

Read-dimensional space as you perceive it right now is just your desktop.

And physical objects like tables and chairs, the sun and the moon, are just icons that

are in the desktop.

They're not the objective reality.

They don't resemble objective reality.

They're just symbols that let us interact with whatever objective reality is while we're

completely ignorant about the nature of that objective reality.

And you're going to be like, what?

Now, if you're new to this show, welcome.

It features in-depth conversations with world-class experts about their domains of knowledge.

In each episode I try to bring you and myself a serious grounding in something complex and

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