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The Economics of Everyday Things

26. Graffiti

The Economics of Everyday Things

Freakonomics Network

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4.81.6K Ratings

🗓️ 30 March 2026

⏱️ 14 minutes

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Is graffiti public art, or public nuisance? It depends who you ask. Zachary Crockett tags in where it all started. This episode was originally published on November 19th, 2023.

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0:00.0

When I was younger, I would say like around 13 or 14, I would get on the train and as I would look out the window, I would see a bunch of graffiti, mainly tags.

0:13.2

It kind of intrigued me later on, like as I got older.

0:17.2

I wanted to do it too.

0:21.3

I go by Repos, and I'm a Philadelphia graffiti artist.

0:26.6

Repos grew up in West Philadelphia.

0:29.4

In high school, he began immersing himself in the city's graffiti culture, learning everything he could.

0:35.7

He watched other artists as they painted.

0:38.2

I was just soaking it all in because they were focused on their piece.

0:41.8

I would just watch their arm movements, the way that they would use their body to, like, make certain lines, different techniques and stuff like that.

0:50.5

That's kind of how I picked it up.

0:53.1

But as Repos would learn,

0:55.3

not everybody sees the poetry and graffiti.

0:58.5

Where one person sees a liberating form of public art,

1:01.7

another sees a nuisance,

1:04.0

one that costs cities millions of dollars a year.

1:11.9

Beauty's in the eye, the beholder.

1:14.0

And my thing is, that's great, but you can't do it on someone else's property.

1:18.4

For the Freakonomics Radio Network, this is the Economics of Everyday Things.

1:22.7

I'm Zachary Crackett.

1:24.3

Today, graffiti.

1:27.4

Most graffiti artists have an origin story for their name, and repose

1:32.2

is no exception. When I was younger, I used to do mischief stuff, like going into abandoned buildings.

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