This is the BBC.

So we come to the pizza.

It's a bit too cold to actually do the podcast.

Absolutely freezing.

There's a new addition, isn't there?

And it is this...

Well, it's the statue of George Orwell, with the quote you'll have seen.

If Liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people

women at the BBC are underpaid.

That's it. There we are.

And it's what it says, isn't it, for you?

Thank you, George.

I was always a big admirer.

It's always through. We like him.

There's something about the extremely famous males at the...

They hear their name shouted.

It means nothing to them.

It means nothing to them.

Because everywhere they go, someone is shouting their name at them.

That's weird.

Do you ever walk through a piazza and just hear a chorus of Jane Garvey?

Jane Garvey?

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