It's a cult. It's a, it's a, a very addictive cult that spreads kind of like an infection.

And so you need to be able to, when people get out, you need to be able to kind of teach them, hey, you know, that's not appropriate and stuff like that.

So, I mean, just being there for them,

not completely just blocking them out of your lives. I'm not saying you have to exactly,

you know, even like a person or, you know, like what they did or anything like that. Just

they have to have a reason to get out if people are constantly

attacking them. They're just not going to, they're not going to bother. I'm Kimberly Atkins

Store and this is Justice by Design, the podcast that recognizes that justice doesn't happen on its

own. It requires the hard

work and dedication to people bringing that justice to bear. I'm going to start off with an

apology and ask for your patience with me in this podcast. As you can hear, I am more than a bit

under the weather, but I still wanted to bring you

this episode because I think the conversation is so important because this conversation

is about hate. And the reason that I am focusing on this now is that we saw during the Trump

administration's first term term a sharp rise in white

nationalist group recruiting. We saw the rise of a number of far-right groups. In fact, some of them,

like the proud boys and oathkeepers, became household names. And with all indications that that could repeat itself again,

I think it's important to remember what happened then

and figure out ways that we can try to prevent it.

Remember that just recently it was learned that the Yellowstone shooter who wanted to commit a mass attack

in the park was fueled by right-wing extremism and racism. We remember Charlottesville. We remember

the symbols that we saw on the people who attacked the Capitol on January 6, 2021.

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