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Welcome to the Michael Schurmer Show. I'm your host Michael Schurmer.

My guest today is Ogeoegis, the author of this new book, Journey of the Mind, how thinking emerged from chaos.

This is a very interesting book from a very interesting guy.

Algia was a Department of Homeland Security fellow

at the Department of Cognitive and Neural Systems

at Boston University and a research fellow

at the Harvard Graduate School of Education. He co-authored

Dark Horse The End of Average and Shrinks, which was long listed for the pen E.O. Wilson Literary Science Writing Award.

His new book traces the idea of the evolution of mind, thinking, and consciousness from molecules all the way to big brains

and actually even beyond that super minds, that is to say, societies societies the internet and so forth so we start

with discussing what exactly you mean by those words mind thinking, thinking, consciousness. We do address the hard problem of consciousness,

which he thinks, and I think he's correct, just goes away when you explain from the bottom up how all these processes of

dynamical systems operating between our sensory apparatus stimulus coming in and the processing of the

information and then responding to it behaviorally going out and that interacts with

the environment more information comes in in kind of a dynamical system which is what he means by

chaos he means chaos theory these dynamical systems so he goes from molecule

mines like

Hydra roundworms flatworms fly mines and so on module mines like fish mines

frog mines tortoise mines, tortoise mines, rat mines, bird mines,

monkey mines and chimpan me, chimpanzee mines and all the way to us, which he calls

super mines, that is our own self-aware minds and aware that we're aware and theory of mind reading and

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