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Brett McKay here and welcome to another edition of the Art of Manliness Podcast.

So I'm a classic guy, so I studied in college.

So the ancient Greeks and Romans inform a lot of my ideas about what manliness means,

particularly in regards to the way they equated manliness with living a life of virtue.

And one of the best books that I've come across on how the Greeks saw manliness as intertwined with virtue

is by Professor Philosophy Angela Hobbs.

In her book Plato and the Hero, Courage Manliness and the Impersonal Good, Hobbs goes into detail,

clarifying Greek concepts related to manliness, including the wild, Homeric virtues of Andrea,

let's courage, Thumos, Spiritiness, and Timae. It's honor.

And today on the show, Professor Hobbs and I discussed these ancient notions of masculinity and detail,

as well as why the philosopher Plato felt uneasy about them.

We then talked about how a lot of what Plato's philosophy was trying to accomplish was tempering these virtues

so they can be harnessed for the greater good of society,

then how that's influenced our notions of masculinity today, a really fascinating show.

After the show's over, check out the show notes at a-wim.is slash Hobbs,

that's Hobbs with two bees.

Professor Angie Hobbs, welcome to the show.

Thank you so much for inviting me. It's a great pleasure to be here.

So you're a philosopher, and the book of yours that I've read, and I've really enjoyed,

is called Plato and the Hero.

And the reason why I liked it, because I'm a classic sky.

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