Welcome to the Burling Instincts Podcast.

I'm Dr. Stewart Fish Fine, community-based practicing obstetrician and long-time advocate for birth choices.

And I'm Bliss Young, a licensed midwife.

Join us in our conversational style podcast where we talk about everything birth.

Sometimes we laugh, sometimes we cry, but we're happy that you're here, so here we go.

This is a soul fire production.

Hello everyone, wherever you are.

One of the great things about traveling around the country in an RV is you get to see nature's wonders and meet a lot of interesting people, both old friends and new.

One of the things you don't have is sometimes good sound,

especially when you're trying to record a podcast. Once again, I want to apologize for the sound

quality on this upcoming podcast, but the topic is so important that Bliss and I decided to

release it anyway. So I hope you enjoy. Thank you for listening and your patience.

Hi, Bliss. Hey, how's it going? It's going. I see we have a guest right off the bat today.

Hi, Jennifer. Hi, Liz. How are you? Yeah, let me say something about that. Okay, I'm in Raleigh, North Carolina, and I'm with Jennifer Margulist, who I'll introduce shortly.

We just had a conference on what would be the title of the conference?

It was on rethinking viruses, vaccines, and children's health.

Yeah, and it was with Dr. Bob Sears and Dr. Cammy Benton and Dr. Jennifer Margulis.

And it was well attended and lovely, lovely people, sponsored by Heel-N-C, H-E-L-N-C, people can look that up.

Dot org, right? Dot org.

I think it's dot org. Anyway, we'll put it in

the show notes. But we're going to get right into it today. And we're going to, Bliss and I will

catch up on what we've been doing probably in the next podcast. Remember, I went to the farm and I've

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