Hey, everyone, it's Reid. As you've probably heard, we're running ads on the Lincoln Project podcast.

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Thank you. on with the show. Welcome back to the Lincoln Project.

I'm your host, Reed Galen.

Today, I'm joined in person by my fellow co-founder of the Lincoln Project, host of LPTVs, The Breakdown,

author of The New York

Times bestsellers, running against the devil, and everything Trump touches dies, and host of

the new almost award-winning podcast, Rick Wilson's The Enemy's List. Rick, welcome back.

Thanks, Reid. Good to be with you. It's always good to see you in person. Right. I know.

We are far too often remote.

So it's been busy as it always has been.

You know, I've thought about this for a long time, Rick, is that we knew that 2020 would be different than 2016 and the 24 would be different than 2020.

But it's always amazing to see how those things develop.

If you had told me even six months ago

that you would have Joe Biden running for president again in a strong economy where inflation

had come down, that you had Donald Trump now twice indicted. I wouldn't necessarily be surprised by

that, but that you would also have

Cornell West and Jill Stein running, that you have Robert F. Kennedy Jr. running, that you have

the Russians and the Saudis and the no labels of the world, all running different things to try

and make American democracy more difficult to hold on to in the next

18 months. I would not have expected, maybe it's because as Stewart says, we should always

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