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The Greg McKeown Podcast

257. Purpose with Samuel Wilkinson (Part 2)

The Greg McKeown Podcast

Greg McKeown

Education, Business, Self-improvement

4.81.1K Ratings

🗓️ 21 December 2023

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Summary

Join me as I continue my fascinating conversation with Yale professor Samuel Wilkinson, author of the thought-provoking book "Purpose: What Evolution and Human Nature Imply About the Meaning of Our Existence." Listen in as we tackle the intriguing topic of altruism in the evolutionary narrative, debunking the myth that survival hinges solely on selfishness. The significance of relationships and family takes center stage in our discussion as we share insights into how these bonds form the bedrock of happiness and meaning in our lives. Explore findings from the Harvard Adult Development Study that showcase the undeniable link between well-being and warm, supportive connections. The conversation doesn't shy away from the hard truths either, addressing the impact of detachment in early life and the innate human craving for closeness. We also dissect the psychological and evolutionary drivers that make personal relationships a central pillar of our contentment. Learn about the role of affective forecasting in our lives, highlighting our tendency to misjudge what will bring us true happiness, and the constant balancing act required to nurture our most cherished connections. We delve into the dual nature of humans—capable of both selfish and altruistic behaviors—and how the success of partnerships and family life often hinges on the willingness to put collective needs above individual desires. Samuel Wilkinson is Associate Professor of Psychiatry at the Yale School of Medicine, where he also serves as Associate Director of the Yale Depression Research Program. Dr. Wilkinson received his B.S. in mechanical engineering, summa cum laude, from Brigham Young University and later his medical degree from Johns Hopkins School of Medicine. He completed his residency at Yale, where he joined the faculty following his post-graduate medical training. His primary research has focused on depression and suicide prevention and has been funded by the National Institute of Mental Health, the National Institute of Drug Abuse, the Brain and Behavior Research Foundation, and the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention. Buy Samuel's book Purpose. Learn more about Samuel's work here. Join my weekly newsletter. Learn more about my books and courses. Join The Essentialism Academy. Follow me on LinkedIn, Instagram, X, Facebook, and YouTube.

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0:00.0

Welcome back everybody, I'm your host Greg McEwan and this is part two of my conversation

0:12.4

with Yale professor Samuel Wilkinson who wrote the rather bold book, Purpose, what evolution

0:19.9

and human nature imply about the meaning of our existence. He is wrestling with the secrets

0:26.8

but doing it in a way that can help us find increased meaning in our lives.

0:32.6

By the end of this part of the interview, you will better understand the science that supports

0:39.9

the bold idea that a part of us is designed for greater altruism and service, not that we are

0:48.4

entirely designed to pursue our self-interest, the survival of the fittest to use that tone

0:56.5

and in a world that is celebrating in so many ways, looking after yourself, independent,

1:04.6

a sort of radical independence where freedom means not feeling responsible to other people

1:13.2

or to family. This interview is a breath of fresh air. Let's get to it.

1:44.1

It seems like a natural segue, as you call it, about this second idea that does evolution require

1:53.8

it to be true that humans and everything else are just self-interested, just purely the survival

2:04.4

of the fittest. You have a whole chapter in the book specifically about this. I wonder if you can

2:12.0

outline what you have been able to gather to address this in your research and writing.

2:19.7

Yeah. Thanks for shifting that and clarifying this part of the conversation.

2:26.5

I think this was one of the things that was so initially off-putting about the theory of evolution

2:32.1

is what it implied about human nature and this notion of survival, but it is only to fit the selfish,

2:37.9

the hypersexual survive and so forth. What it boils down to is an issue that in my mind,

2:46.8

well, let me back up just a little bit and say an empirical observation of human nature and

2:52.2

nature from animals suggests it's not that way. There are plenty of examples from animals,

2:58.6

plenty of examples from humans where behavior is altruistic and that was initially very

3:06.1

puzzling to biologists, those studying nature from a lens of evolution. Can I just interrupt you

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