Hey guys, it's episode number 257 of the way I heard it. This one is called where the chili

meets the cheese, mostly because it's an expression I like and when I used it in the

conversation you're about to hear. My guest admitted to immediately becoming a bit peckish.

And that made me laugh, Chuck, because when he said it, I knew that you were probably thinking the same thing.

Am I right?

I wake up hungry. I go to bed hungry. I'm hungry all the time. I think you know that. Yeah.

This episode of the way I heard it is not about food or hunger. It's about speech.

And my guest is a guy named Greg Lukianoff, who I met a few months ago in Colorado at a gathering called Stand Together. Stand Together is an

organization that was formed not too long ago by Charles Koch, who's a big supporter of Microworks.

And Charles wanted to focus on helping foundations and organizations that provided what he calls bottom-up solutions.

And that's what Greg is all about.

He has an organization called Fire.

It stands for Foundation of Individual Rights in Expression.

Four, yeah.

You said something else.

What did I say?

Foundation of.

Foundation for individual rights and expression.

Oh, of and four.

I don't really think that's germane.

You could call me pedantic.

You know, it's their name.

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