What's up everybody? This is Cortland from AndyHackers.com and you're listening to the

NDHackers podcast. More people than ever are building cool stuff online and making a lot of

money in the process. And on this show, I sit down with these endy hackers to discuss the ideas,

the opportunities and the strategies they're taking advantage of so the rest of us can do the same.

So Elon Musk is trying to acquire Twitter, and I think it's a uniquely controversial matter because it sits at the sort of center of multiple unrelated

controversies that we're dealing with. So for example, should social media platforms be centers

for free speech? Or should they be responsible for cleaning up and clarifying misinformation

and protecting people from harm and harassment? How do we deal with income inequality?

Should billionaires and people like Elon

have as much singular power as they do? Should we even have billionaires in the first place,

et cetera, et cetera? No matter who you are, I think it's hard not to have an opinion on Elon Musk

and the issues surrounding him. And so to debate and discuss this issue, we have two very successful

indie hackers here.

None of them should be strangers to you if you're fans of the pod.

Justin Jackson, the founder of Transistor, which is my favorite podcast host

and what I used to host the indie hackers podcast, is here.

And as far as I've been able to tell from Justin's tweets, you're fairly anti-Elon, Justin.

I'll let you speak for yourself in just a moment. We also have Sahel of Engia, the founder of Gumroad, who is the opposite. Gumroad is one of the best ways to sell your products online as a creator. And Sahil from your tweets, you're fairly pro-el. You do a lot of retweeting, a lot of sharing, a lot of supporting. So I don't want to speak for the two of you. We'll have you each give a couple of your thoughts on Elon before we jump into it. But just a few notes on the

format. So I'm here with Channing. Shannick is my co-host. We're going to be the moderators,

and we will, I suppose, just ask questions of both of you, and we'll probably slip in a few

challenge questions directed at each one of you. And we'll probably slip in a few challenge questions directed at

each one of you, and you'll each just have a few minutes to talk. You can talk back and forth

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