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Welcome back to the curbsiders.

I'm Matt Wato here without steward Brigham tonight.

But the great Paul Williams is with me and this is hot cakes so he's going to tell you

what we normally do on the show then what we're doing tonight and a little bit about our guests.

Great thanks for that Matt as a reminder ordinarily we are I mean we're always the

interval medicine podcast but usually we use expert interviews for you clinical

roles in practice changing knowledge for these hot cakes episodes the experts are kind

of us that really there's only one expert here and that's for whole and then he just kind

of drags us along on his co-tails for which we are generally grateful.

So we are joined by Rojo Ganatra no pressure.

Planned already wizard and we are also lucky to be joined by Dr. Michael Sternberg who

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