Hello and welcome to politics Warum with Watergate prosecutor and host of hashtag Sisters-In-law, Jill Wine Banks, and I'm Al Hunt.

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Hey Joe, it's such a pleasure to have you on elevating this podcast.

Let's do a little preview of Thursday night's debate and what to look for

let me start with two points I think what matters is the overall impression it's not

scored like a boxing match and I'm skeptical of instant polls.

And two, I think you're going to look,

both are going to try to get under the other's skin.

And it's essential that Joe Biden not go for the bait when Trump makes wild insults

about his family or something. What are your thoughts going into Thursday night?

So I agree, Al, with everything that you said. I would say that although the overall

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