Hello and welcome to the Squiggly Careers podcast.

I'm Sarah, one of your hosts, and this episode is part of a special series that we've created to bring to life some of the ideas and insights in our new book, You Coach You.

In this series of six episodes, we'll be talking to experts to get their thoughts on how we can help ourselves

through some of the nottier moments in our squiggly career. It might be coping with a challenging

relationship at work, maybe you feel like your progress has stalled, or perhaps you're just

figuring out how to find more meaning from your job. Every episode relates to a chapter in

You Coach You and today we're focusing on self-belief

and specifically the chatter that happens in our heads. You'll hear me talking to Ethan Cross,

who is the author of one of my favourite non-fiction books of the last couple of years, which is

called chatter. And he's really going to talk to us about how we can dial down the volume of our chatter

and instead sort of put our inner coach in charge.

And he's full of practical ideas and insights.

I mean, he's such a brilliant expert on this topic.

So I'm really looking forward to sharing this conversation with you.

I hope you find it useful.

And I'll be back at the end to let you know who's coming up next. Thank you. I hope you find it useful and I'll be back at the end to let you know who's coming up next.

So let's start with the basics because I think really important to make sure we all understand

this idea of chatter. And so what do you define as the difference between your inner voice

and that unhelpful chatter that can get in our way?

When I'm using the term inner voice, what I'm talking about is our ability to silently use

language to reflect on our lives. So if you can repeat a number silently in your head,

209, repeat that right now.

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