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🗓️ 3 February 2025
⏱️ 81 minutes
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FBI whistleblower Kyle Seraphin joins the show to talk about how he got into the Bureau, their transition into becoming an intelligence gathering operation, and how they have the power to construct criminal cases off incidental collection.
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0:55.9 | 2016, the Obama administration actually authorized something that made the FBI infinitely more |
1:00.6 | dangerous. They updated 12-3-3-3, which is the executive order that basically found the NSA. |
1:06.0 | It allows all of the intelligence collections to happen. They allowed the FBI to have raw FISA material, |
1:13.4 | which is called the data warehouse system, DWS. That was the program I worked in every day. |
1:18.4 | And it allowed us to have raw FISA. So previously, what we'd have is like, I'd have Dan's email |
1:23.1 | over here and it would just be like, it would be like person number one. And we would have to ask |
1:26.3 | for it and the NSA would give us this redacted version and if we wanted to unmask it and find out who |
1:30.9 | these people were we'd have to go through a process you get a warrant dude yeah at the point when I was |
1:35.4 | there in 2017 I literally would just be in your email box and reading your emails as you got them |
1:40.5 | I'd be like oh that's spam like that's a cruise advertisement like that's bullshit oh like whatever he's talking to the chinese person like i could see what was in your email |
1:47.5 | let's go welcome to citizen we got a special guest today kyle seraphon, you were an FBI agent whistleblower. Before that, you did some other stuff. We're going to go all the way back to the beginning. But first, how are you? How do you like the fog in Austin for the first time in history? What the fuck's going on here? |
2:12.1 | There's water coming out of the sky. And it is also lingering at the ground level. I don't like it. People are driving inappropriately. |
2:18.3 | It feels fine. |
2:18.9 | Well, nobody here can handle any sort of inclement weather. |
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