#253 - How to Give Yourself Permission with Kate Bowler

The Lazy Genius Podcast

Kendra Adachi

Education, Arts

4.8 • 6.8K Ratings

🗓️ 14 March 2022

⏱️ 32 minutes

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A note from Kendra: In this conversation, Kate and I exchange a joke about going to prison for someone we love, and I have since been shown the harm that reaction causes people in communities affected by disproportionate and unfair policing. For that, I am genuinely sorry. Thank you for graciously leaving space for all of us to continue to learn and do better in our work of allyship. Kate Bowler is here! If you’ve been around here for a while, you know we don’t have many guest interviews as regular episodes on this show. But today is a special day! Kate joins me to talk about ways to give yourself permission, life advice that we wish we could retire, and what she does when living in a hard season. Helpful Companion Links Find Kate online and on Instagram Check out her three books: Good Enough, No Cure for Being Human, and Everything Happens for a Reason This podcast is hosted by Kendra Adachi and executive produced by Kendra Adachi, Jenna Fischer and Angela Kinsey. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Hi there! You are listening to the Lazy Genius Podcast. I'm Kendra Adachi and I'm
0:06.4	here to help you be a genius about the things that matter and lazy about the
0:10.8	things that don't. Today is episode 253, how to give yourself permission with
0:16.8	Kate Boller. You guys know who Kate Boller is, right? She is a three-time
0:21.9	New York Times best-selling author. She's a professor at Duke Divinity School
0:25.9	and she is a fantastic permission giver in the area of being human. Today, Kate
0:31.4	and I talk about life advice that needs to be retired, what she does to live in a
0:36.6	hard season, and what she wants to give us permission to do, or not do. I hope
0:42.7	you enjoy this conversation between me and Kate Boller. Hi Kate! Hello! I'm so
0:50.0	good to talk to you at last! We have a lot of mutual friends and so it feels like
0:53.9	the time is now. We get to have a conversation and become friends. This is
0:57.7	friendship, transitive property. It's equals being, being equals being, therefore,
1:02.4	equals these two people. I love it. I like that math. That's a really good math. So I
1:07.7	am so glad you're here. I'm so glad for my audience to get to know you and I can't
1:11.6	wait for us to just jump right in. So let's do it. You deal in life advice. You
1:16.2	understand and often comment on all these sayings and phrases that we become so
1:22.2	accustomed to saying. And I am just curious, what piece of life advice are you
1:28.0	like, hey, this just needs to go. We're gonna retire this one. Oh wow, the focus of
1:33.7	my rage just varies daily. I guess, um, yeah, and it's funny because every time I
1:41.4	feel like kind of like a set or hurt or something by a little catchphrase,
1:47.4	that's always usually the moment where I've, I've like, have learned to something,
1:52.2	historically about like how we got to that phrase and why we're so committed to it. But
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