I dreamt that you were twisting through seven suns of gold and the gypsy was insisting

that story must be told I came two in the morning but I took it as a warning that you might be a treasure.

I could touch but never hold.

Hello, everybody.

Welcome back to the So Before podcast.

I want to introduce my guest today.

Shelby John, welcome, Shelby.

Thank you so much, Veronica.

It's lovely to be here.

It's nice to have you.

Our topic today is we're going to be talking about negative thinking of patterns,

which I know nobody listening suffers from any negative thinking.

It's definitely, you know, conquering our thoughts and having mastery over our inner life, which is about our thoughts,

is a real, real skill of sobriety.

So I'm really excited to talk about that with you.

Tell us a little bit about yourself, first of all.

You're a licensed clinical social worker?

Sure.

I have, yes.

So I got sober in 2002.

I was actually finished. I graduated from grad school as a social

worker in May of 2002, which is always funny to me when I think about that. And then I worked for

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