we are in a state of constant evolution. We should live in permanent beta, which is to say,

to think of ourselves as a product in beta that never is finalized is always being refined and

revised. And if we think of it that way, when the change comes to us, even if it comes to this

thing that we feel like we've reached our wouldn't go back moment, we've redefined ourselves,

we got there and now change is coming again. We have to just see that as another part of the

natural cycle of things and an opportunity to build even more. I'm on this journey with me.

Each week when you join me, we are going to chase down our goals, overcome adversity and set

you up for better tomorrow. I'm ready for my close time. Hi and welcome back. I'm so excited

for you to meet my guest this week. He's been on the show once before, but we're glad to have Jason

fight for back. He's the editor in chief of entrepreneur magazine, a startup advisor,

close to the podcast, build for tomorrow and problem solvers, and has taught his techniques for

adapting to change at companies, including Pfizer, Microsoft, Chipotle, Draftings and Wix.

He has worked as an editor at Fast Company, Men's Health, Boston magazine, and's written about

business and technology for the Washington Post. Slate, popular mechanics and others. Jason,

thank you so much for being back with us today. I am honored to be back. Great to see you.

Great to see you too. We were just offline talking about the fact that both of us are going through

moves right now to get out from small time living to bedroom type apartments and get into

bigger spacious opportunities. I know that you just wrote a book about change and adapting change,

and it's just so funny that right now you and I are like all in embracing change in this moment.

I know. Well, I am excited for your move. I'm excited for my move. I'm excited for everybody's

move. So this book builds for tomorrow. It's funny. We were talking about where we live and we're

going to move because I wrote this book during this major disruption in my life. So when the

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