All right, welcome back to Shameless Popery. I'm Joe Heschmire and I'm having a cup of Joe with Vanessa Parrish, that one Catholic girl, as well as my producer, Metal Mike. Good morning to both of you. Good morning, Joe. All right, well, why don't we do this? Mike, do you want to explain to everybody how this works? Because I know this is still a new format for people and then we will talk about coffee and then kick off

the actual theology. Absolutely. Good morning, everyone. Hope you're enjoying your coffee along with us.

These streams are focused around a specific kind of apologetic question or topic, and we would

love to have your guys' engagement in the chat and contribute to this conversation.

I want to make sure we are focusing on questions that pertain to the topic.

So even if people super chat in, if it's not specifically to the topic, we'll throw it on screen,

but we're not necessarily going to answer the question.

And thank you in advance to everyone who's watching and everyone who does super chat.

All right, wonderful.

And as I said, we'll talk coffee, then we'll talk theology.

So one thing that, you know, because it's Copa Joe, each time we have some kind of coffee.

This time I have roastery.

I've got their super Tuscan blend.

This is a preferred favorite.

And so let's talk about morality with God. Vanessa, you

want to start us off? Of course I do. So a question that I've been pondering a lot and I get a lot

is, do we need God to be good? Yeah, it's a good question. It's one that I think in some ways

we have to make a lot of distinctions. And that

always sounds like a dodge for people. Let me just read this comment that this I think captures

a certain atheist way of viewing the question and exposes one of the problems with maybe how

we're thinking about it. This is a guy named Jonathan Lloyd. He says morality depends on choice.

We are good because we have made a choice to do good acts.

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