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David, welcome the show.

Pull on up to the microphone.

Get that sucker up like a fist from your face.

I first heard about you from that guy, Art Bell, the goat.

The greatest.

Yeah, he was, I used to love listening to his show coming home from the comedy store.

We'd come home at like 1 o'clock in the morning, coast to coast with Art Bell from the kingdom of Nye.

It was awesome.

And that's when I first got turned on to your work.

So tell everybody, you started off in law enforcement.

Right.

That's your background.

Correct.

How did you get involved in this mystery of people going missing?

So I had already written a couple of books, and I was at Yosemite National Park doing some research on another topic.

And two rangers are following me around.

And I went back to my room that was at the park, and about an hour and a half later, one of the Rangers comes to my room, and he's in plain close, and he knocks on my door. And he says, hey, Dave, I'm Ranger so-and-so. I'm here off-duty. I want to talk to you about some missing people. I said, come on. So we start talking. And he says that he knew about me, probably the way

you knew about me. And he says, I know you're from law enforcement. Somebody needs to look into this.

About an hour and a half later, his partner shows up at the door. And they said that they've worked

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