thinking basketball podcast my name is Ben and for those of you who don't know Cody is is staying up all night trying to match being a dad now and watching basketball.

And so the co-hosts of, what do we call this show?

Thinking NBA Spaces on Twitter something like that my

co-host had been nice enough to stop by from that show and fill in the hot seat

this week mowed akeel from the athletic, former video coordinator of many places in the

NBA and John Schuman, NBA senior writer at nba.com. John, I think you said before we recorded 19 years

You've been doing this?

Yeah.

Amazing years.

So I appreciate you guys coming in on short notice and and pinch hitting

and and hopefully you know having a fun time well I don't know

what we're going to talk about today but maybe basketball. I thought we're here for

bad mitten I have so many bad mittin takes lined up and ready. I'm excited this I'm going can I say it can I say it first time long time first time

first time long time yeah wow wow yeah if I could ever figure out how to get like a call in operation going, I think it would be a dream of mind to hear first time, long time, but I mean, John, you just took care of that, so you made his, you're making dreams come true, John. That's what you do John that's what you do that's why you've been in the game for 19 years.

I'm in the New York area so I am a long time listener of the classic sports talk show,

the Mike and the Bad Dog show.

So that is a, you know, I've always wanted to,

in addition to Ben always wanting to hear it, I've always wanted to say it.

You know, first time call or a long time listening.

So if you aren't familiar with our Thinking NBA spaces collaboration, it's pretty fun we get coaches

from around the league to come in and talk about all kinds of cool stuff.

And last week's show we had Charles Lee assistant to the Boston Celtics who

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