What's up everybody? This is Cortland from AndyHackers.com and you're listening to the

NDHackers podcast. More people than ever are building cool stuff online and making a lot of money

in the process. And on this show, I sit down with these indie hackers to discuss the ideas,

the opportunities and the strategies they're taking advantage of these Indie Hackers to discuss the ideas, the opportunities,

and the strategies they're taking advantage of so the rest of us can do the same.

I'm here with my brother, Channing Allen.

Shannon has a going going?

It's going swell.

This is your first time on the Andy Hackers podcast.

You've been my twin brother for 35 years. People don't know you because I don't talk about you on the show. But you've been helping me run Andy Hackers for the last five years. Sort of my co-founder for Andy Hackers, you joined AnyHackers seven months after I started it. And then a month later we got acquired by Stripe. And Patrick asked if I wanted anything as part of the deal.

And I was like, yeah, you got to hire my brother to you.

And so you've been working on any hackers to me ever since. But you've never once come on the podcast. I don't know why that is. If you never wanted to come on, I think I've invited you on. Yeah, I don't know. I feel like we have a division of responsibilities we kind of always have.

And I honestly just in my in my mind,

I just partition what I was working on and a little bit away from what you were working on.

I don't even listen to half the episodes. And what do you do? What do you work on?

Well, so we both do strategy. But you largely do like the code stuff. I like vaguely say it like you're sort of more focused on the community historically. And I've been a little bit more focused on the media side, except for ironically, the podcast itself. Okay. So yeah. And now you're finally on the podcast. And I think the impetus for this is the fact that we were both just in Italy together. I don't really see you that often.

You live in New York City, I live in Seattle. But we both went to Bologna to basically hang out with like a bunch of other indie hackers at this founder conference thing that happened. And it was pretty cool. I mean, I had a good time. I talked to Peldie, probably the funniest guest I had on the podcast. Sarah Reid was there, Laura Rota was there, Rand Fishkin was there, a bunch of different founders I've had on the podcast. Tara Reid was there, Laura Roder was there,

Rand Fishkin was there, a bunch of different founders I've had on the podcast before. And I think that was probably your first time meeting most of those people, right? What'd you think?

I really liked it. Part of that is also we were together, right, for a lot of the time. And

we literally just put a lot more time into dog fooding our website like actually

going in and and using it and we just had way more opportunity to just both be sitting at the kitchen

table together using the site if we're trapped and like a room together like what else we're going to

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