Hello and welcome to the spiked podcast I'm Fraser Meyers and back with me as ever this week we have

Spikes editor Tom Slater. Hello? And making his Spiked podcast debut, its regular

spike contributor Ralph Shellhammer. Thank you so much for having me.

Great to be here.

Thanks for coming on.

Coming up on today's show, we'll be discussing the barbarism in Israel,

the pointlessness of Kiea stama,

and why net zero is so much more dangerous than climate change.

So on Saturday the world bore witness to some truly atrocious events at the

current one we're recording this it seems as if over 1,300 people would have died in Israel following Hamas's incursion into that territory.

So it seems as if the more we learn as the weakest develops the grimmer the details have got have got you want to paint a little bit of a

picture of some of the things we've learned well where to begin I mean as you say at the

moment of recording so far I think it's 1,300 or in that region have been confirmed dead in Israel.

We've all seen the story, so 260 people gunned down at that dance music festival in the south

of the country. You had some kibbutz's barrier was one where one in ten of the entire population was slaughtered.

I mean that's the literal definition of decimation that's taken place there.

There's obviously been also the horrific scenes that we've seen as soldiers have been clearing the

bodies from the from another kibbutz in which there have been claims of the indiscriminate

killing not only of civilians and adults but of children as well.

Babies even has been mentioned, although there's a very bizarre discussion going on about that on the internet at the moment we might touch on.

The scale of the depravity is... discussion going on about that on the internet at the moment we might touch on.

The scale of the depravity is unprecedented, certainly for Israel.

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