I would like to welcome you to the episode 25 of the Symbolic World podcast.

On this episode, I will be playing for you a discussion that I had with Paul Vanderclay on

Jordan Peterson and, let's say, his effect, his place in the discussion around contemporary

Christianity.

Paul Vanderclay is a pastor, a reform pastor,

and he's been putting out videos almost every day

about Jordan Peterson trying to interpret what he's doing,

intellectual dark web, really diving into those subjects

and trying to see them through a Christian lens.

And so I hope you enjoy this discussion.

Music them through a Christian lens. And so I hope you enjoy this discussion. This is Jonathan Peugeot. Welcome to the symbolic world.

So Paul, maybe you can give a quick introduction to who you are and where you are and what you're what you're doing in life.

Well, Jonathan, just, it's a pleasure to beat you. I've been following your videos and really enjoying them. And I, this is all new to me. I'm a pastor in Sacramento, California. I've been a pastor

here at this particular congregation for 20 years. I've been in the ministry for now about 27 years, but I'm also a third-generation minister.

So the church has always, in a sense, been our family business.

And I got interested in Jordan Peterson, a lot of the, in many of the same ways that everyone else seems to have.

I actually, it was Rod Dreher's blog that I was reading

quite regularly. And he had made a comment about Peterson at one point. And so I kind of followed it up.

And said, oh, here's a, here's an academic in Toronto who's kind of stepping out of the herd. Isn't that

interesting? And then I kind of, I didn't think about it

much for a while. And then I caught one of the videos of the protesters. And what really struck me was

how calm he was in the midst of the melee. And that impressed me. And then I thought, I want to hear more of what he has to say.

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